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Head to head

Forwarder versus skidder

Carry the wood off the ground, or drag it to the landing?

9 criteria compared

A forwarder carries logs completely off the ground in a load bunk. A skidder drags stems or logs to a landing. That single difference drives everything else: contamination, soil disturbance, speed, and which production system the machine belongs to.

They are not really competitors. They belong to different systems — and choosing between them usually means choosing between cut-to-length and full-tree.

Framing

Why this comparison recurs

Framed as a machine choice, this comparison has no clean answer. Framed as a system choice — cut-to-length against full-tree — it resolves immediately, because each machine only makes sense inside its own production chain.

A forwarder carries sorted cut-to-length logs off the ground. It exists because a harvester produced sorted logs at the stump. A skidder drags whole stems to a landing. It exists because a feller buncher produced bunches and a processor waits at the landing.

Buying either without committing to its system produces an unbalanced fleet — which is the most common and most expensive structural mistake in harvesting.

What each is for

These are not two points on one scale

Most of the confusion in this comparison comes from reading them as better and worse versions of the same thing. They are built for different work.

A forwarder carries

The load travels clear of the ground, which protects soil, keeps products sorted and delivers clean material to the landing. The price is loading time — the crane work that fills the non-travel part of every cycle — and a higher capital cost for the same payload.

Best at

  • Cut-to-length systems with sorted assortments
  • Soil-sensitive sites and stands facing further rotations
  • Shorter to moderate hauls with dense volume
  • Operations where clean, sorted roadside stock matters

A skidder drags

Picking up is fast and travel is fast, which suits whole stems and long snigs. The material arrives with whatever it collected on the way, the ground takes the load, and the residual stand takes some of it too — all acceptable in clearfell and not in a stand you will work again.

Best at

  • Full-tree systems moving whole stems to a landing
  • Long extraction distances where travel dominates the cycle
  • Clearfell where residual damage is not a constraint
  • Firm ground that tolerates dragged loads

Side by side

The comparison

CriterionForwarderSkidder
Production systemCut-to-lengthFull-tree / tree-length
Wood contact with soilNone — carried in the bunkDragged
Log contaminationLowHigher
Soil disturbanceLowerHigher, with rutting risk
Assortment controlExcellent — sorted in the stripSorted at the landing
Thinning suitabilityGoodLimited
Machine simplicityCrane and bunkSimpler drivetrain and grapple
Key economic termPayload × trips per hourTonnes per turn × turns per hour
Dominant consumableTyres, chains, bogie tracksTyres and chains

The decision

Which one, and when

Choose forwarder when

  • The system is cut-to-length and logs are already sorted by assortment
  • Mill contracts penalise contamination, or the wood goes to pulp with contamination limits
  • Soils are sensitive, or the harvest plan restricts rutting
  • Thinning, where residual crop damage carries real future cost
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Choose skidder when

  • The system is full-tree, with a feller buncher producing bunches and a processor at the landing
  • Terrain and trails suit dragging, and contamination is tolerable
  • The landing has the processing and loading capacity to absorb the extraction rate
  • Simplicity and lower capital per tonne extracted matter more than wood cleanliness
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The decision rule

Pick the production system first — cut-to-length or full-tree — and the extraction machine follows from it. Choosing the extraction machine first is how fleets end up unbalanced.

The money

How the two differ on cost, specifically

Capability comparisons are easy to find. This is where the commercial difference actually sits.

FactorForwarderSkidder
Core economic termPayload × trips per hourTonnes per turn × turns per hour
Dominant consumableTyres, chains, bogie tracksTyres and chains
Wood contaminationMinimal — carried clear of soilHigher — dragged
Soil disturbanceLowerHigher, with rutting exposure
Capital per tonne extractedHigherLower
Wet-weather exposureManageable with flotationHigher — dragging in wet soil

What would change the answer

The variables that move this decision

Read across the row your own situation matches. Where most rows point the same way, the decision is straightforward; where they split, the comparison is genuinely close and the economics below should settle it.

VariablePoints to forwarderPoints to skidder
Production systemCut-to-lengthFull-tree
Soil sensitivity and future rotationsHigh — stand will be worked againLow — clearfell, no further rotation
Extraction distanceShort to moderateLong snigs
Number of sorted assortmentsSeveralOne, or whole stems
Ground firmnessSoft or variableFirm, tolerates dragging

Three situations

What we would actually recommend

Not a balanced summary — a recommendation for each case, with the reasoning.

1

Thinning with contractual limits on residual crop damage

Choose: Forwarder, in a 10-15 tonne class

Skidding through a thinning corridor damages the crop that pays for the next rotation, and machine width is the main lever available. A small forwarder is the standard answer for a reason.

2

High-volume clearfell with a landing sized to process and load

Choose: Skidder

Where a feller buncher is producing large bunches and the landing has processing and loading capacity, skidding is faster and carries lower capital per tonne extracted. Contamination is acceptable if the mill tolerates it.

3

Wet-region operation with mill contamination limits

Choose: Forwarder

Two constraints point the same way. Dragging stems through wet soil creates both rutting exposure under the harvest plan and contamination the mill will penalise.

The arithmetic

Where each one loses its cycle time

  1. 1A forwarder cycle is travel out, load, travel in, unload. Loading and unloading are substantial and roughly fixed — crane work, one grapple-full at a time, sorted.
  2. 2A skidder cycle is travel out, grab, travel in, release. Pickup and release are fast; travel dominates.
  3. 3On a short haul, the forwarder's fixed loading time is a large share of the cycle, and the skidder's speed advantage is modest.
  4. 4On a long haul, travel dominates both, the fixed loading time matters proportionally less, and the skidder's faster travel compounds across every cycle.

The skidder's advantage grows with distance; the forwarder's advantages — sorted products, clean material, protected soil — do not diminish with it.

Which is why haul distance belongs in this comparison alongside the production system. Measure the longest haul in your coupes before assuming the system alone decides it.

What goes wrong

Mistakes specific to this decision

How to settle it

The order to work through, for your own case

Each step narrows what the next has to establish. Worked in order, most buyers find the decision resolves before the last one.

1

Settle the production system first

Cut-to-length implies forwarding and full-tree implies skidding, and the system is chosen by stem size, terrain and the mill's product specification rather than by extraction preference. Where the system is already fixed, this comparison is largely answered.

2

Measure the longest haul, not the average

Extraction cycle time scales with distance while felling does not. A machine sized on the average will be the constraint for the part of the coupe that is furthest out — which is usually the part that takes longest to work.

3

Establish what the estate requires on ground damage

Where the stand faces further thinnings or another rotation, compaction and residual damage are increasingly contract conditions with stated thresholds. That can rule out dragging before any productivity comparison.

4

Count the assortments

Several sorted products favour carrying them clear of the ground and sorting at the stump. A single assortment or whole stems removes most of that advantage.

5

Price the planning alternatives

Landing placement, an extra access point or resequencing the coupe change the haul the fleet faces — frequently by more than either machine choice would, and without carrying depreciation.

Often overlooked

The option that is not on this page

Change the haul instead of the machine

Extraction distance is partly a planning decision. An additional landing, a repositioned one, an extra access point, or resequencing the coupe all change the haul the fleet actually faces — often by more than a machine upgrade would, and without carrying depreciation. Price those before pricing extraction capacity.

Common questions

Frequently asked questions

Can I run a forwarder in a full-tree operation?

Not usefully. A forwarder carries cut-to-length logs in a bunk; a full-tree operation produces whole stems that have not been processed. The machines are not interchangeable because the material they handle is not the same shape.

Which is cheaper to own?

A skidder generally carries lower capital per tonne extracted and a simpler drivetrain. A forwarder costs more but produces cleaner wood with less soil disturbance. Which is cheaper overall depends on whether your mill pays for cleanliness and whether your harvest plan restricts rutting.

What size forwarder do I need?

Size to extraction distance, stem size, soil and corridor width rather than to a general capacity preference. A 25-tonne machine excels on long hauls with large stems; a 10-15 tonne machine earns more in narrow thinning corridors on soft ground. Load space against your log dimensions matters more than rated tonnes.

Detail

Machine classes involved

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